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Software & Hardware Mix: => Linux / Unix / Android => Android => Topic started by: devnullius on 29. September 2014., 20:03:40
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Sigh...
32GB and here we go... Not even synced my Apps yet!!
Newman K2S v1.0.4, Android 4.2.2
RAM: 2.0 GB
Phone Storage: 26.71GB Available
26.96FB Total
Default Write Disk: Phone Storage
Internal space: 1.14GB
* Available 121MB
* Apps (data & media) 769MB
* Cached data: 160MB
Installing *any* application will give the dreadful error (https://encrypted.google.com/search?{google:acceptedSuggestion}oq=insufficient+storage+available+android&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=insufficient+storage+available+android+fix):
"Error downloading "File Expert with Clouds free today with App of the day". There is insufficient space on the device.
ERROR OK. Sigh :(
(of course - app name changes :) )
Links form the internet:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.felipearon.marketfix (needs root)
http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/403955/insufficient-storage-available-android-and-how-fix-it-aka-unix-y-man-behind-c
--> clear cache: I need an app for that. Safe mode? All Chinese :(
--> second tip was a good one and solved my problems:
Under Storage, you see the total amount of space used by the app on your device, then divisions of App (core program) and Data (the generated stuff). You only want to clear Data as a last resort. Clearing the Data on an app is basically starting from square one, as if you had just installed it, with nothing logged in or set up or saved.
Underneath that is Cache. Cache, you can totally wipe out. The app might load a little more slowly next time it opens, but it will still work, and your login and data will be intact. Some apps can build up a really big cache over time—Chrome, Google+, Google Search, and quite a few music apps, in particular. Sometimes you only need to clear out a cache or two to make room for that vital app you're trying to squeeze onto your phone.
For me: phone: settings: Apps: Sort by Size
Google Play services was using 58MB (not a problem) but I pressed it nonetheless. I pressed "Clear Data" in the options menu for Google Play. You should NOT do that. FIRST do "Clear Cache". Test ok? You are done. Still not good? Try Clear data...
Happy installing: tip of the day: http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appturbo.appturboNL (App of the Day)
Enjoy :)
Devvie
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All apps get installed in phone storage, not in phone's 32GB memory! A friend told me that there should be an option to chose where to install. That option only shows phone memory, not the phone's 32 GB storage. What should I do? K2S version 1, not 2.
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If you install "Assistant for Android": https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.advancedprocessmanager&hl=en "under" Tools, you'll have App2SD option.
I'll think about some other possibilities.. ::)
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Thhis is a typical problem, because SD card must be emulated.... Link2SD is the way to go
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I tried a few of those, will test yours but it does not seem to be the solution. It's really like the phone only has its internal ram storage, like they forgot to program other possibilities :s
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Android assistant cannot do anything!!!! Proram blows anyway: I'd have to manually click each and every app to be moved. But it cannot move. No options to be set when I press an app. Storage is informational, not functional!
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and to be clear, I do NOT have a physical sdcard
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Thhis is a typical problem, because SD card must be emulated.... Link2SD is the way to go
Link2sd looks like a great working program, but when checking the results, nothing has been moved... I tried all there is!
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That's weird...
Can you take a look at the partition table?
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I really start to hate that Newman... Good I got it for free after Dutch customs lost it for more than 4 months... Still, I'm annoyed.
No screenshot posibilities either... This is Android, right? Dumb programmers :(
Anyways, from Play Store "Partitition Table" app...
Advanced view:
major/minor + info
253 (0) zram0 1024 MB xx, xx, not mounted
179 (0) mmcblk0 29803 MB xx, xx, not mounted
179 (1) mmcblk0p1 0 MB p1, xx, not mounted
179 (2) mmcblk0p2 4.1/8.8 MB p2, ext4, /protect_f (46%)
179 (3) mmcblk0p3 4.0/8.8 MB p3, ext4, /protect_s (45%)
179 (4) mmcblk0p4 6.0 MB p4, xx, not mounted
179 (5) mmcblk0p5 735/787 MB p5, ext4, /system (93%) --> probably this is where all apps go... Margins are REALLY small concerning free space vs. error insufficient space
179 (6) mmcblk0p6 4.1/125 MB p6, ext4, /cache (3%)
179 (7) mmcblk0p7 1044/1164 MB p7, ext4, /data (89%)
179 (8) mmcblk0p8 697/27604 MB p8, vfat, /storage/sdcard0 (2%)
179 (64) mmcblk0boot1 2.0 MB xx, xx, not mounted
179 (32) mmcblk0boot0 2.0 MB xx, xx, not mounted
xx (xx) CDROM 1.2/12 MB xx, iso9660, /mnt/cdrom (100%) - huh? :o :o
Short overview:
OS: 735/787 MB (system - mmcblk0p5; 93%)
Apps: 1044/1164 MB (Data - mmcblk0p7; 89%)
External Storage: 697/27604 MB (mmcblk0p8; 2%)
Thanks JHeysen: what do you see? :)
Devvie
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The apps go to /data, wich is partition 7:
179 (7) mmcblk0p7 1044/1164 MB p7, ext4, /data (89%)
As you can see, you only have 1Gb for apps and its almost filled.
Also, mmc device means emulated SD Card :p (mmc is SD Card for linux Kernel)
Link2SD is the way to go, insert an external SD Card, with an ext4 partition, and start moving the files to the sdcard and making symlinks in /data to them (or android wont detect them). Remember to mount the SD card at startup and you are done.
[That's basically what Link2SD does]
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The drawback will be that for the apps moved to the external partition, the overall performance of the phone will be degraded and will be dependant of the SD card bus speed.
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The drawback will be that for the apps moved to the external partition, the overall performance of the phone will be degraded and will be dependant of the SD card bus speed.
Thanks!
I *REFUSE* to use exernal SD Card for critical data!! Only a copy of MP3's can go on it... Burned that way a bit too often ;p
So... How (why) the fuck is this phone installing all to phone RAM, not to phone ROM storage??? What else do I have 32GB partition for? Music, video & photos?? NO! APPS!!!!! That's what I want and need. So WHY is it not installing there? A few apps managed to get get on there, but... Most won't. WHY? WHY NOT?
Grmbl :(
Thank you :)
Devvie
PS: Dutch page: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/43000419#43000419
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Ok, another pita to do... Install new bootloader, recovery mode (English, not Chinese!) and latest software version. I hope I'll keep my wifi & gyroscope!
Turns out, things work a bit different here. I (Samsung user S3) am used to Odin and when I want to do anything, I need to reboot the phone in Download Mode...
NOT so with Newman K2S!
This phone starts with a custom pre-load mode... You can notice this with Windows Device Manager... You will have an Android device as main branch until the phone is started...
In this pre-load mode the phone is ready to receive commands as if it were in Download mode! I think I can guess what the option Fast boot does in the settings of this phone... :)
Anyways, because of this, timing is critical! And hard. When you power off the phone and restart in download mode (Power + Volume-Down) and leave it there (phone plugged in) you can concentrate on getting the right drivers installed...
Download drivers for this phone (MT65xx Preloader, Win 7) from here: http://singledrivers.blogspot.nl/2013/12/newman-k2s-usb-driver-for-windows.html
Watch how Windows fails to install the driver for this device (you are still in download mode here!).
Now extract the downloaded driver set to a folder. Right click (in device manager) your MT65xx-device. Set it to to search the root of folder with the extracted driver set and all subfolders. It turns out, the obvious driver to install is not the correct one >:D Watch while windows scans the folders for the correct driver. Answer yes when you get a security warning (unsigned driver).
From now on, things get tricky. Every time Windows sees the phone starting in the custom pre-load mode, it will try to install the drivers. It will succeed, BUT IT TAKES A WHILE :(
And if you are starting the phone, the phone might be too fast for your computer... :(
So keep trying here, play around a bit until the Flashtool automatically starts pushing the new rom(s)... I can't make it any better than this I'm afraid.
FROM: http://www.needrom.com/download/newman-k2s/
TAKE PRECAUTIONS before you start flashing your phone!
http://www.needrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Newman-K2S-V1.0.4.zip
http://www.needrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Newman-K2S-V1.0.5.zip
DOWNLOAD THIS: http://www.needrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/NEWMAN-K2S_2014-02-13.zip
http://www.needrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/92_wet_jb9-ota-user.liguoxi.zip
DOWNLOAD THIS: http://www.needrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/SP_Flash_Tool_v5.1348.00.zip
I also did this, it seemed to help - might have been a lucky coincidence... Take the extracted filed from K2-S-2014-03-13 archive and copy them all to the seem folder that contains flash.exe and its tools...
Mine have the Newman-K2SV.1.0.4 and i upgrade to Newman-K2SV.2.0.1 (Flash) the only way due to the fixed system partitions.
First you have to backup de IMEI (...), because you will lose it with the SELECTED FORMAT ALL IN+DOWNLOAD FLASHTOOLS, ALL SELECTED, included Preload.
I Root the phone first, used Mobileuncle MTK and BACKUP IMEI to SDCARD.
- Select a the MT6592_Android_scatter_emmc.txt in ROM
- Wait file to be added into Flash Tool
- choose Option -> USB Model, click USB Model
–> Choose Option -> DA DownLoad All -> Speed -> High Speed, click High Speed
- in main screen of Flash tool, select: "Format all + download"
- Turn off your phone, remove the battery.
- hit Download button (...) (in Flashtool)
- and connect your phone into the computer via USB data cable.
- The process will start and a red progress bar will appear after color purple, yellow.
- And green circles display
- Finish !
I don't know of all them colors, but when I powered on my phone often enough, Windows had just enough time to install the driver and Flashtool automatically starting to push all information to it...
Remember: this is formatting the original device: I did not find an option to make a full (nandroid) backup of this phone, so it's in all-in move here :s
After the reboot I indeed have a Dutch phone! Not even English, but Dutch. So... If all else works well now, I might become happy with Newman once more... If only they had an English forum and support!! :(
UPDATE: no dice: all apps and data storage settings seem exactly the same! :( So I'll run into problems pretty soon... Any way to re-arrange the partitions?? It's Linux after all :)
MORE BAD UPDATES: I indeed lost SIM IMEI. I CANNOT find a way to install root for version 2.0.1!! :( Only 1.0.4 seems to be supported. So I cannot see if Uncle's backup is enough for both my sims.
MORE BAD UPDATES: wifi will not work for 5GH networks. Nor for *any* secured network. Only possible way to get internet is trough 2.4GH unsecured wifi network...
LAST BAD UPDATES: recovery mode & download mode are still in their "original" way... So no good there either! Back to 1.0.4 I suppose, as long as there is no root to apply... Nothing else I can do!
HELP! :(
:) Devvie
Devvie
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That's why they told you to backup the IMEI... I hope you have the box arround, It should be noted there (or in a sticker where the battery goes).
You'll have yo find the IMEI-related file and do some HEX edit. The IMEI is not bound to the SIM, but to the device. Think of it as the Device Unique Registration Number, where as the SIM refers to your mobile carrier, number, plan, etc.
I know in odin that you can edit the pit file and alter the partition table that way, here... I don't know to be frank. It should be possible, you can try using console tools from Android terminal when rooted I beleive.
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That's why they told you to backup the IMEI... I hope you have the box arround, It should be noted there (or in a sticker where the battery goes).
You'll have yo find the IMEI-related file and do some HEX edit. The IMEI is not bound to the SIM, but to the device. Think of it as the Device Unique Registration Number, where as the SIM refers to your mobile carrier, number, plan, etc.
I know in odin that you can edit the pit file and alter the partition table that way, here... I don't know to be frank. It should be possible, you can try using console tools from Android terminal when rooted I believe.
Yes I know about IMEI backup and restore! I wrote it down? ;p
The new software 2.0.1 should reformat all partitions / recreate all partitions. But that version is really horrible, problem is ROOTing it for starters :(
Devvie
UPDATE: found working version Framaroot to root and install SuperSU with version 1.9.3 of framaroot, found here: http://www.needrom.com/download/newman-k2s/comment-page-4/#comment-109283
UPDATE: uploaded full mirror with all downloads to: https://app.box.com/s/6fy5rwnbjdaoy4lexv09
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Ok, once rooted, my Newman K2S v2.0.1 is working fine (enough). GPS works and once the IMEI is restored, browsing httpS:-website works once more too!
Original problem remains: all apps are installed to phone's 2GB ROM, not the 32GB RAM :(
WHY? :(
Devvie
Asking some more advise, here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/newman-k2s-installs-apps-to-2-gb-ram-32-t2896230 and here: http://www.droidforums.net/threads/newman-k2s-v1-0-4-v2-0-1-installs-all-apps-to-2-gb-ram-not-to-the-32-gb-rom-memory.274854/
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That's default Android beheavour, it installs all the apps to /data
The only solution would be to move /data mountpoint
As for why It doesn't use the emulated SD card, that's usually for security reasons (so you can't mess up with the FS that easily) and due to format restrictions (/data uses unix File Systems, where the Emulated SD uses FAT32)
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So... All them big androids are useless if you actually want to use your phone...? My s3, s5, zopo don't seem to suffer though :(
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Jheysen, formatting to ext, would that unlock the storage?
Post-edit: see google play android partition tool by cookiestudio
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You could put a script in init.d that remounts /data to that partition, but you'll lose the ability to save music and files in the emulated internal SD card.
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You could put a script in init.d that remounts /data to that partition, but you'll lose the ability to save music and files in the emulated internal SD card.
That would work :) How to set it up? And plenty ofntools to read linux partitions with windows, so I could atill do music, no? :)
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I'm not quite sure.. but There's a possibility.
As for the script, you should only need to drop it in /etc/init.d/
It should say something like
unmount /data
mount /dev/mmcblk0pX /data -t ext4... (exact sintax here may differ)
If your kernel doesn't support init.d scripts, you migth try using a install-recovery.sh script, wich is the work-around for samsung stock kernels for example.
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I'm not quite sure.. but There's a possibility.
As for the script, you should only need to drop it in /etc/init.d/
It should say something like
unmount /data
mount /dev/mmcblk0pX /data -t ext4... (exact sintax here may differ)
If your kernel doesn't support init.d scripts, you migth try using a install-recovery.sh script, wich is the work-around for samsung stock kernels for example.
What happens with original /data...? Isn't that needed too?
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original /data just won't be used. Before applying this trick you migth want to copy the contents of /data to the new partition.
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You can choose where you want to install your app in phone memory or in SD card and you can change it from phone setting.
http://www.china-prices.com/phone/621/newman-k2s
(http://i.imgur.com/vRLnA5l.png)