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Title: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 05. March 2013., 10:08:20
 >:(

Something I hate is hard drives (non-SSD) & their warranties...

It's fuzzy logic! When you enter into this area, you will walk into a secret forrest with people that lost all sense of logic.

Example: my hard drive store http://harddata.nl is specialized in hard drives. Not many shops out there that do! I really need their experiences when it comes to buying a new drive and I am willing to take a long (!) drive for their shop... BUT this is what sometimes happens... A drive will check 100% OK (SMART, badblocks) and still lose integrity on file system level (NTFS). The volume bitmap for example will have incorrect size almost after every reboot. Other drives will not have this problem with this computer, even replacing with same brand & model & type drive will often not have problems on the "offending" computer. Still, the "experts" will tell you the drive is just great and my computer is at fault. Very hard to win on arguments & logic if this is all you get to hear. True, they will replace the drive as a "gesture" for which I should be "grateful". And they will insist the drive is working 100% to this day with them, even after they started using it 2 years ago.

YET...

Today I had a friend where this problem occured. This drive  wasnot sold at that store, but an original drive belonging to the Dell PC and in general a perfect example of what happened to me many times.
For the drive, I  tested everything, and everything was 100% Still, Acronis Drive Moniitor clearly shows the boot-time chkeck disk warnings:

Cleaning up 1 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 1 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 1 unused security descriptors. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... Usn Journal verification completed. 78116030 KB total disk space. 24627652 KB in 88662 files. 31592 KB in 13793 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 301398 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 53155388 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 19529007 total allocation units on disk. 13288847 allocation units available on disk.

I have seen this MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY TIMES :( New drives, old drives, it doesn't matter.

I always was sure I WAS RIGHT, but "the experts" insisted I was wrong.

Today I did the Pepsi test ;p (Pepsi lost :>)

I have two Dell machines (Optiplex 745). My friend has a Dell Optiplex 745 too! And after doing everything to save her Windows XP installation, I decided just to swap hardware al together! So I took her harddrive and I put it in my machine - which always WORKED FLAWLESSLY!
So this way I could prove that
1. RAM was not a problem,
2. cables were not a problem, and
3. mobo or power is not a problem - despite "expert" opinions.

If I couldn't get the filesystem stable in this new PC only LOGICAL conclusion is that "something" goes wrong with THE DISK ITSELF! NO OTHER EXPLANATIONS*! (But still, the expert in the shop will explain to me why their drive is not at fault - he will even get emotional to the point I'm not allowed to ask any in-depth questions anymore, forever...!). Man, funk that sheit! For the conclusion is clear, my friend's drive still gives log files like the one copied above... I will buy her a new drive and I'll bet that everything will work flawlessly in her "broken" computer ;p

I should post some more old links of mine to give a complete overview of this problem - including the fact that so many information is kept secret, especially when it comes to recovery and analysis software. Those people will really get upset, even online, when you ask in-depth questions... General consensus: whom the frack do I think I am to ask questions like that and even worse, thinking I know better...

Well, I'll answer who I am... A patient person who will test all possibilities before complaining to a store... And a person willing to go the extra mile to prove the expert's opinion is wrong (even if they are right, I'll always learn something new ; ).

So till the <EDIT> for links, after KVM Switch article is finished. Will take some time - for I have none at the moment... ;p

NO Karma NOR Peace for the Hard Drive Experts!

Devvie


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* it could be a Windows XP / OS problem too... No doubt replacing the drive tonight will prove this theory wrong too ;p
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: Leeway on 05. March 2013., 11:03:29
This happens to me before, it is the mechanical fault. Disk platters are alright, there are times when the motor does not spin at the correct speed causes the problem. When serious, my PC just froze, not even a blue screen.

When I bought them down to support centre, they check it and claim no problem and refuse an exchange or to raise a repair order. A few months later, the HDD fail physically, no read/write sound. Luckily, I only lost some data with the help of frequent backups knowing this hard disk is going to die soon.

Still prefer HDD over SSD as it still offers the highest storage capacity per device and it is relatively cheap.

You may try this software "HD Sentinel", it will diagnose the problem the mechanical HDD is facing.
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: Pez on 05. March 2013., 11:08:18
You have not teeled us what type of drive you have. Manufactor and drive type. Many of the large manufactors have lowlevel test available for ther drive so you can test the drive in deept. That ofen also have firmware update for common problem on ther drives. Have you looked in this?

But to get the right tool and firmware you need serch for your drive typ number.

You have tool s like this example. WD Grren GP serie: http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=608&sid=3&lang=en (http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=608&sid=3&lang=en)

and Seagates: http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/ (http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/)
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 05. March 2013., 14:16:34
You have not teeled us what type of drive you have. Manufactor and drive type. Many of the large manufactors have lowlevel test available for ther drive so you can test the drive in deept. That ofen also have firmware update for common problem on ther drives. Have you looked in this?

But to get the right tool and firmware you need serch for your drive typ number.

You have tool s like this example. WD Grren GP serie: http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=608&sid=3&lang=en (http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=608&sid=3&lang=en)

and Seagates: http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/ (http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/)

I know these tools, but as far as memory serves me right, they all do badblock testing and low level formats... I will look into Leeway's remarks - I do like hard disk sentinel pro, but stopped using it for their warez version often has very nasty virii included :s

I'll install it on my friend's hdd and see if it finds anything special...

Karma...

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 05. March 2013., 14:21:34
...  platters are alright, there are times when the motor does not spin at the correct speed causes the problem. When serious, my PC just froze, not even a blue screen.

This is EXACTLY what I've seen throughout the years on different systems... I even had a system like that: total sudden freeze. Frozen in time, no beep, no warning, nothing. That old comp of mine, had these problems caused by faulty RAM... I guess, for I burned some circuits on that old AMD 750+ when not fitting RAM correctly... Big flame, bad smell and freezing system afterwards ;)

I do think it is an original answer (speed of disk), for it is the only thing I never thought about... Nor did the shop owners ever mentioned it ;p

VERY curious now if there is a (real-time) solution to monitor for these faults... Are you sure HD Sentinel can do this???

Karma...!

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: Pez on 05. March 2013., 15:42:49
Remeber also that ther is different kind of disks that have a purpose profile like the most Green disk have spindown and therfor is not applicable to use as RAID disks.

And

Ther can also be something related to the famus Seagate problem:
http://www.techpowerup.com/82331/Seagate-Offers-Firmware-Fix-for-All-Problematic-Barracuda-7200.11-Hard-Drives.html?cp=3 (http://www.techpowerup.com/82331/Seagate-Offers-Firmware-Fix-for-All-Problematic-Barracuda-7200.11-Hard-Drives.html?cp=3)
http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/crawl_message?board.id=ata_drives&message.id=26556 (http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/crawl_message?board.id=ata_drives&message.id=26556)

I asked what brand the drive is and what type (number) so I could try to help you more.
Have you search on the web for your kind of disk an sutable problem description for your drive to se if other have the same problem?
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: Samker on 05. March 2013., 18:55:34
...

I asked what brand the drive is and what type (number) so I could try to help you more.

...

Same question & goodwill here...  :angel:
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 05. March 2013., 20:56:38
Ok, your links definitely trigger my curiosity, although I think it is a dead-end. I've seen it over the years so many times, so many systems, ... I think it must be something very generic.

Still, here is the info ;)

  -- Physical Disk Information - Disk: #0: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 --

    Hard Disk Summary
   -------------------
    Hard Disk Number . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0
    Interface  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : S-ATA II
    Disk Controller  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) ICH8 4 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 2820 (ATA)
    Disk Location  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0, Device: 0
    Hard Disk Model ID . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : WDC WD800JD-75MSA3
    Firmware Revision  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.01E04
    Hard Disk Serial Number  . . . . . . . . . . . . : WD-WMAM9XV17506
    Total Size . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 76293 MB
    Power State  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Active
    Logical Drive(s) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : C: []
    Current Temperature  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 36 °C
    Power On Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 291 days, 12 hours
    Estimated Remaining Lifetime . . . . . . . . . . : more than 1000 days
    Health . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : #################### 100 % (Excellent)
    Performance  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : #################### 100 % (Excellent)

    The hard disk status is PERFECT. Problematic or weak sectors were not found and there are no spin up or data transfer errors.
      No actions needed.

    ATA Information
   -----------------
    Hard Disk Cylinders  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 155010
    Hard Disk Heads  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 16
    Hard Disk Sectors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 63
    ATA Revision . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ATA/ATAPI-7
    Total Sectors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 156250000
    Bytes Per Sector . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 512
    Buffer Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8192 KB
    Multiple Sectors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 16
    Error Correction Bytes . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 65
    Unformatted Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 76294 MB
    Maximum PIO Mode . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 4
    Maximum Multiword DMA Mode . . . . . . . . . . . : 2
    Maximum UDMA Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 300 MB/s (6)
    Active UDMA Mode . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 300 MB/s (5)
    Minimum Multiword DMA Transfer Time  . . . . . . : 120 ns
    Recommended Multiword DMA Transfer Time  . . . . : 120 ns
    Minimum PIO Transfer Time Without IORDY  . . . . : 120 ns
    Minimum PIO Transfer Time With IORDY . . . . . . : 120 ns
    ATA Control Byte . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Valid
    ATA Checksum Value . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Valid

    Acoustic Management Configuration
   -----------------------------------
    Acoustic Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Acoustic Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Disabled
    Current Acoustic Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Min performance and volume (80h)
    Recommended Acoustic Level . . . . . . . . . . . : Min performance and volume (80h)

    ATA Features
   --------------
    Read Ahead Buffer  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported, Enabled
    DMA  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Ultra DMA  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    S.M.A.R.T. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Power Management . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Write Cache  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Host Protected Area  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Advanced Power Management  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Extended Power Management  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Power Up In Standby  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    48-Bit LBA Addressing  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Device Configuration Overlay . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    IORDY Support  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Read/Write DMA Queue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NOP Command  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Trusted Computing  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    64-Bit World Wide ID . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Streaming  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Media Card Pass Through  . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    General Purpose Logging  . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Error Logging  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    CFA Feature Set  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    CFast Device . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Long Physical Sectors (1)  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Long Logical Sectors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Write-Read-Verify  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Feature . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Power Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Free-fall Control  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Free-fall Control Sensitivity  . . . . . . . . . : Not supported

    SSD Features
   --------------
    Data Set Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    TRIM Command . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Deterministic Read After TRIM  . . . . . . . . . : Not supported

    S.M.A.R.T. Details
   --------------------
    Off-line Data Collection Status  . . . . . . . . : Suspended By Interrupting Command From Host
    Self Test Execution Status . . . . . . . . . . . : Successfully Completed
    Total Time To Complete Off-line Data Collection  : 2460 seconds
    Execute Off-line Immediate . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Abort/restart Off-line By Host . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Off-line Read Scanning . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Short Self-test  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Extended Self-test . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Conveyance Self-test . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Selective Self-Test  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Save Data Before/After Power Saving Mode . . . . : Supported
    Enable/Disable Attribute Autosave  . . . . . . . : Supported
    Error Logging Capability . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Short Self-test Estimated Time . . . . . . . . . : 2 minutes
    Extended Self-test Estimated Time  . . . . . . . : 33 minutes
    Conveyance Self-test Estimated Time  . . . . . . : 6 minutes
    Last Short Self-test Result  . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Short Self-test Date  . . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Extended Self-test Result . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Extended Self-test Date . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Conveyance Self-test Result . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Conveyance Self-test Date . . . . . . . . . : Never Started

    Security Mode
   ---------------
    Security Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Security Erase . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Erase Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enhanced Erase Feature  . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enhanced Erase Time . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enabled . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Locked  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Frozen  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    Security Counter Expired . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : High

    Serial ATA Features
   ---------------------
    S-ATA Compliance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    S-ATA I Signaling Speed (1.5 Gps)  . . . . . . . : Supported
    S-ATA II Signaling Speed (3 Gps) . . . . . . . . : Supported
    S-ATA Gen3 Signaling Speed (6 Gps) . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Receipt Of Power Management Requests From Host . : Supported
    PHY Event Counters . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Non-Zero Buffer Offsets In DMA Setup FIS . . . . : Not supported
    DMA Setup Auto-Activate Optimization . . . . . . : Supported, Disabled
    Device Initiating Interface Power Management . . : Supported, Disabled
    In-Order Data Delivery . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Asynchronous Notification  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Software Settings Preservation . . . . . . . . . : Supported, Enabled
    Native Command Queuing (NCQ) . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Queue Length . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 32

    Disk Information
   ------------------
    Disk Family  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Caviar SE
    Form Factor  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 3.5"
    Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 80 GB (80 x 1.000.000.000 bytes)
    Number Of Disks  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Number Of Heads  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Rotational Speed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 7200 RPM
    Rotation Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8,33 ms
    Average Rotational Latency . . . . . . . . . . . : 4,17 ms
    Disk Interface . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Buffer-Host Max. Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? MB/seconds
    Buffer Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8192 KB
    Drive Ready Time (Typical) . . . . . . . . . . . : 9 seconds
    Average Seek Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8,9 ms
    Track To Track Seek Time . . . . . . . . . . . . : 2,0 ms
    Full Stroke Seek Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 21,0 ms
    Width  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 101,6 mm (4,0 inch)
    Depth  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 147,0 mm (5,8 inch)
    Height . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 25,4 mm (1,0 inch)
    Weight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? grams (0,0 pounds)
    Required Power For Spinup  . . . . . . . . . . . : ? mA
    Power Required (Seek)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? W
    Power Required (Idle)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? W
    Power Required (Standby) . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? W
    Manufacturer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Western Digital Corporation
    Manufacturer Website . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products

    S.M.A.R.T.
   ------------
No.  Attribute                Thre.. Value  Worst  Data                Status                   Flags                                                 
1    Raw Read Error Rate      51     200    200    000000000000        OK                       Error-Rate, Performance, Statistical, Critical         
3    Spin Up Time             21     165    163    000000000ABE        OK                       Statistical, Critical                                 
4    Start/Stop Count         0      99     99     000000000689        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
5    Reallocated Sectors Co.. 140    200    200    000000000000        OK                       Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical, Critical   
7    Seek Error Rate          51     200    200    000000000000        OK                       Error-Rate, Performance, Statistical, Critical         
9    Power On Time Count      0      91     91     000000001B54        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
10   Spin Retry Count         51     100    100    000000000000        OK                       Event Count, Statistical, Critical                     
11   Drive Calibration Retr.. 51     100    100    000000000000        OK                       Event Count, Statistical                               
12   Drive Power Cycle Count  0      99     99     000000000689        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
190  Airflow Temperature      45     64     47     000000000024        OK                       Self Preserving, Statistical                           
194  Disk Temperature         0      107    90     000000000024        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Statistical                           
196  Reallocation Event Count 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
197  Current Pending Sector.. 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Event Count, Statistical                               
198  Off-Line Uncorrectable.. 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Event Count                                           
199  Ultra ATA CRC Error Co.. 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Error-Rate, Performanc..
200  Write Error Rate         51     200    200    000000000000        OK                       Error-Rate, Critical                                   

    Transfer Rate Information
   ---------------------------
    Total Data Read  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 319 MB,  73.925 MB since installation  (5-3-2013)
    Total Data Write . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 158 MB,  103.627 MB since installation
    Average Reads Per Day  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 73.925,00 MB
    Average Writes Per Day . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 103.627,00 MB
    Current Transfer Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 2315 KB/s
    Maximum Transfer Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 20766 KB/s
    Current Read Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 1926 KB/s
    Current Write Rate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 389 KB/s
    Current Disk Activity  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 32 %

Karma...

devnullius 
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: Samker on 05. March 2013., 22:47:16
Quote
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Still, here is the info ;)

  -- Physical Disk Information - Disk: #0: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 --

...


hmmm... maybe you'll get some idea from these old Topics:

http://scforum.info/index.php/topic,3399.0.html

http://scforum.info/index.php/topic,5722.0.html

Title: old-school free windows stress test - the manual cmd.exe way ; )
Post by: devnullius on 05. March 2013., 23:08:01
Searching for a free Windows stress test tool that would remove and copy many small (and bigger files) to see if errors can be triggered, I found not much.

This I found, HeavyLoad (http://www.jam-software.com/heavyload/). It sounds fancy, but all it does (for HDDs) is growing a big file - an option configures how much free space should be reserved. Run it.

I than added 5x cmd.exe command prompts.

I did (in each one):
cd\
mkdir temp
cd temp
xcopy c:\windows\*.* /s /v /c /i /h /r  /Y .

This last command I'll repeat for 30 times, simply while the command already is executing, by buffering it all to memory like follows:
press key up (this repeats last command) and press enter
press key up (this .. command) and press enter
repeat this many times in all 5 command prompts.

THEN I open another cmd prompt. Here, another command should be repeated many many times (from C:\temp):
del *.* /f /s /q

To up the stress, one (I;) could start a complete antivirus scan on the C:-drive. Start defragmenting to top it off. Let it run overnight (or as long as you dare) and abort all (command prompts can simply be closed by pressing the x-cross).

In command prompt, type last command:
chkdsk c: /f /v /x /r
--> gives FULL disk check, or use:
chkdsk c: /f /v /x
--> for faster checkdisk.

Restart the computer, and watch carefully for the last seconds of the disk check (or look in the event logs, or even better: keep Acronis Drive Monitor installed) and see if sheit has hit the fan again :s

Karma...

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 05. March 2013., 23:25:56
"New" older drive again appears perfect, but again: problem (still in my Dell pc, not my friend's...)

Info's:

Cleaning up minor inconsistencies on the drive. Cleaning up 1 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 1 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 1 unused security descriptors. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... Usn Journal verification completed. 78121983 KB total disk space. 24486976 KB in 89876 files. 38252 KB in 16588 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 296283 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 53300472 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 19530495 total allocation units on disk. 13325118 allocation units available on disk.

------

  -- Physical Disk Information - Disk: #0: Maxtor 6L080M0 --

    Hard Disk Summary
   -------------------
    Hard Disk Number . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0
    Interface  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : S-ATA
    Disk Controller  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) ICH8 4 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 2820 (ATA)
    Disk Location  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0, Device: 0
    Hard Disk Model ID . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Maxtor 6L080M0
    Firmware Revision  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : BACE1G10
    Hard Disk Serial Number  . . . . . . . . . . . . : L214QECH    L214QECH
    Total Size . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 76293 MB
    Power State  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Active
    Logical Drive(s) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : C: []
    Current Temperature  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 41 °C
    Power On Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 876 days, 5 hours, 0 minutes
    Estimated Remaining Lifetime . . . . . . . . . . : more than 948 days
    Health . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : #################### 100 % (Excellent)
    Performance  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ###################- 98 % (Excellent)

    The hard disk status is PERFECT. Problematic or weak sectors were not found and there are no spin up or data transfer errors.
      No actions needed.

    ATA Information
   -----------------
    Hard Disk Cylinders  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 155010
    Hard Disk Heads  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 16
    Hard Disk Sectors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 63
    ATA Revision . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D version 0
    Total Sectors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 156250000
    Bytes Per Sector . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 512
    Buffer Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8192 KB
    Multiple Sectors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 16
    Error Correction Bytes . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 4
    Unformatted Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 76294 MB
    Maximum PIO Mode . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 4
    Maximum Multiword DMA Mode . . . . . . . . . . . : 2
    Maximum UDMA Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 150 MB/s (6)
    Active UDMA Mode . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 150 MB/s (5)
    Minimum Multiword DMA Transfer Time  . . . . . . : 120 ns
    Recommended Multiword DMA Transfer Time  . . . . : 120 ns
    Minimum PIO Transfer Time Without IORDY  . . . . : 120 ns
    Minimum PIO Transfer Time With IORDY . . . . . . : 120 ns
    ATA Control Byte . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Valid
    ATA Checksum Value . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Valid

    Acoustic Management Configuration
   -----------------------------------
    Acoustic Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Acoustic Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Disabled
    Current Acoustic Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Default (00h)
    Recommended Acoustic Level . . . . . . . . . . . : Balanced performance and volume (C0h)

    ATA Features
   --------------
    Read Ahead Buffer  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported, Enabled
    DMA  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Ultra DMA  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    S.M.A.R.T. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Power Management . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Write Cache  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Host Protected Area  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Advanced Power Management  . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported, Disabled
    Extended Power Management  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Power Up In Standby  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    48-Bit LBA Addressing  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Device Configuration Overlay . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    IORDY Support  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Read/Write DMA Queue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NOP Command  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Trusted Computing  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    64-Bit World Wide ID . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Streaming  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Media Card Pass Through  . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    General Purpose Logging  . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Error Logging  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    CFA Feature Set  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    CFast Device . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Long Physical Sectors (1)  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Long Logical Sectors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Write-Read-Verify  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Feature . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Power Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Free-fall Control  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Free-fall Control Sensitivity  . . . . . . . . . : Not supported

    SSD Features
   --------------
    Data Set Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    TRIM Command . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Deterministic Read After TRIM  . . . . . . . . . : Not supported

    S.M.A.R.T. Details
   --------------------
    Off-line Data Collection Status  . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Self Test Execution Status . . . . . . . . . . . : Successfully Completed
    Total Time To Complete Off-line Data Collection  : 841 seconds
    Execute Off-line Immediate . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Abort/restart Off-line By Host . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Off-line Read Scanning . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Short Self-test  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Extended Self-test . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Conveyance Self-test . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Selective Self-Test  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Save Data Before/After Power Saving Mode . . . . : Supported
    Enable/Disable Attribute Autosave  . . . . . . . : Supported
    Error Logging Capability . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Short Self-test Estimated Time . . . . . . . . . : 2 minutes
    Extended Self-test Estimated Time  . . . . . . . : 36 minutes
    Last Short Self-test Result  . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Short Self-test Date  . . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Extended Self-test Result . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Extended Self-test Date . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started

    Security Mode
   ---------------
    Security Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Security Erase . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Erase Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enhanced Erase Feature  . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enhanced Erase Time . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enabled . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Locked  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Frozen  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    Security Counter Expired . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : High

    Serial ATA Features
   ---------------------
    S-ATA Compliance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    S-ATA I Signaling Speed (1.5 Gps)  . . . . . . . : Supported
    S-ATA II Signaling Speed (3 Gps) . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    S-ATA Gen3 Signaling Speed (6 Gps) . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Receipt Of Power Management Requests From Host . : Supported
    PHY Event Counters . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Non-Zero Buffer Offsets In DMA Setup FIS . . . . : Not supported
    DMA Setup Auto-Activate Optimization . . . . . . : Not supported
    Device Initiating Interface Power Management . . : Not supported
    In-Order Data Delivery . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Asynchronous Notification  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Software Settings Preservation . . . . . . . . . : Supported, Enabled
    Native Command Queuing (NCQ) . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Queue Length . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 32

    Disk Information
   ------------------
    Disk Family  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : DiamondMax 10
    Form Factor  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 3.5"
    Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 80 GB (80 x 1.000.000.000 bytes)
    Number Of Disks  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Number Of Heads  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Rotational Speed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 7200 RPM
    Rotation Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8,33 ms
    Average Rotational Latency . . . . . . . . . . . : 4,17 ms
    Disk Interface . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Serial-ATA/150
    Buffer-Host Max. Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 150 MB/seconds
    Buffer Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8192 KB
    Drive Ready Time (Typical) . . . . . . . . . . . : ? seconds
    Average Seek Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9,0 ms
    Track To Track Seek Time . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? ms
    Full Stroke Seek Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? ms
    Width  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 101,6 mm (4,0 inch)
    Depth  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 147,0 mm (5,8 inch)
    Height . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 26,1 mm (1,0 inch)
    Weight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 630 grams (1,4 pounds)
    Acoustic (Idle)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 3,5 Bel
    Acoustic (Min Performance And Volume)  . . . . . : 2,7 Bel
    Acoustic (Max Performance And Volume)  . . . . . : 2,7 Bel
    Required Power For Spinup  . . . . . . . . . . . : 1.520 mA
    Power Required (Seek)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 12,2 W
    Power Required (Idle)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 7,3 W
    Power Required (Standby) . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0,9 W
    Manufacturer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Seagate Corporation
    Manufacturer Website . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : http://www.seagate.com/maxtor/

    S.M.A.R.T.
   ------------
No.  Attribute                Thre.. Value  Worst  Data                Status                   Flags                                                 
3    Spin Up Time             63     226    226    0000000027D3        OK                       Self Preserving, Performance, Statistical, Critical   
4    Start/Stop Count         0      253    253    0000000001EB        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
5    Reallocated Sectors Co.. 63     253    253    000000000000        OK                       Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical, Critical   
6    Read Channel Margin      100    253    253    000000000000        OK                       Critical                                               
7    Seek Error Rate          0      253    251    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate, Statistical                               
8    Seek Time Performance    187    248    232    00000000DF31        OK                       Self Preserving, Performance, Statistical, Critical   
9    Power On Time Count      0      196    196    0000000040AC        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
10   Spin Retry Count         157    253    252    000000000000        OK                       Self Preserving, Error-Rate, Statistical, Critical     
11   Drive Calibration Retr.. 223    253    252    000000000000        OK                       Self Preserving, Error-Rate, Statistical, Critical     
12   Drive Power Cycle Count  0      252    252    0000000001EE        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
192  Power off Retract Cycl.. 0      253    253    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
193  Load/Unload Cycle Count  0      253    253    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
194  Disk Temperature         0      39     253    000000000029        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
195  Hardware ECC Recovered   0      253    223    000000000618        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate, Statistical                               
196  Reallocation Event Count 0      253    253    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate                                             
197  Current Pending Sector.. 0      253    253    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate                                             
198  Off-Line Uncorrectable.. 0      253    253    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate                                             
199  Ultra ATA CRC Error Co.. 0      199    199    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate                                             
200  Write Error Rate         0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate, Statistical                               
201  Soft Read Error Rate     0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate, Statistical                               
202  Data Address Mark Errors 0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate, Statistical                               
203  Run Out Cancel           180    253    252    000000000000        OK                       Error-Rate, Statistical, Critical                     
204  Soft ECC Correction      0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate, Statistical                               
205  Thermal Asperity Rate    0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Error-Rate, Statistical                               
207  Spin High Current        0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Error-Rate, Statistical               
208  Spin Buzz                0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Error-Rate, Statistical               
209  Offline Seek Performance 0      233    233    0000000000F1        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Performance                           
210  Vendor-specific          0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
211  Vibration During Write   0      253    252    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
212  Shock During Write       0      253    243    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             

    Transfer Rate Information
   ---------------------------
    Total Data Read  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 536 MB,  12.160 MB since installation  (5-3-2013)
    Total Data Write . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 446 MB,  9.735 MB since installation
    Average Reads Per Day  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 12.160,00 MB
    Average Writes Per Day . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9.735,00 MB
    Current Transfer Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 2972 KB/s
    Maximum Transfer Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 30527 KB/s
    Current Read Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 2513 KB/s
    Current Write Rate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 459 KB/s
    Current Disk Activity  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 59 %

Karma...

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: jheysen on 06. March 2013., 00:54:58
grab notepad:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

int main(){
FILE* f = fopen("a.txt","a");
while(true){
fprintf(f,"adsdasdasdasadsadsadsdasqe76fdavhdasyuvasd wdaybbdfesxcbbdas_hgbasdfgvdas\n");
printf("asddasdas\n");
}
printf("asdf");

return 0;
}

Now, grab your favourite C compiler and compile
Run your executable for hours and watch the HDD be filled.
Check logs

I don't know if the sintax is 100% OK, since I haven't touched C/C++ in a while :'(, but that should do or give the idea... it basically makes a text doccument and appends data to it.. so it can eventually cope your hard-drive (slow process though). Maybe you'll see the errors while it runs... just and idea.

Regards,
J.
Title: Re: I hate hard drives - could it be a Windows OS problem??
Post by: devnullius on 06. March 2013., 09:55:32
(running XP)

3th disk :(

Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. Cleaning up minor inconsistencies on the drive. Cleaning up 6 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 6 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 6 unused security descriptors. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... Free space verification is complete. 78121983 KB total disk space. 24518620 KB in 89818 files. 28532 KB in 12859 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299355 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 53275476 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 19530495 total allocation units on disk. 13318869 allocation units available on disk

=== http://kb.acronis.com/errorcode/bookmark/WINLOG_Winlogon_1001/1507/1362563595/249F6316-18B0-49FA-953A-F851C6FB46B7
===

  -- Physical Disk Information - Disk: #0: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 --

    Hard Disk Summary
   -------------------
    Hard Disk Number . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0
    Interface  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : S-ATA II
    Disk Controller  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) ICH8 4 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 2820 (ATA)
    Disk Location  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0, Device: 0
    Hard Disk Model ID . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : WDC WD800JD-75MSA3
    Firmware Revision  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.01E04
    Hard Disk Serial Number  . . . . . . . . . . . . : WD-WMAM9XW20319
    Total Size . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 76293 MB
    Power State  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Active
    Logical Drive(s) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : C: []
    Current Temperature  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 42 °C
    Power On Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 544 days, 15 hours
    Estimated Remaining Lifetime . . . . . . . . . . : more than 1000 days
    Health . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : #################### 100 % (Excellent)
    Performance  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : #################### 100 % (Excellent)

    The hard disk status is PERFECT. Problematic or weak sectors were not found and there are no spin up or data transfer errors.
      No actions needed.

    ATA Information
   -----------------
    Hard Disk Cylinders  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 155010
    Hard Disk Heads  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 16
    Hard Disk Sectors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 63
    ATA Revision . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ATA/ATAPI-7
    Total Sectors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 156250000
    Bytes Per Sector . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 512
    Buffer Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8192 KB
    Multiple Sectors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 16
    Error Correction Bytes . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 65
    Unformatted Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 76294 MB
    Maximum PIO Mode . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 4
    Maximum Multiword DMA Mode . . . . . . . . . . . : 2
    Maximum UDMA Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 300 MB/s (6)
    Active UDMA Mode . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 300 MB/s (5)
    Minimum Multiword DMA Transfer Time  . . . . . . : 120 ns
    Recommended Multiword DMA Transfer Time  . . . . : 120 ns
    Minimum PIO Transfer Time Without IORDY  . . . . : 120 ns
    Minimum PIO Transfer Time With IORDY . . . . . . : 120 ns
    ATA Control Byte . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Valid
    ATA Checksum Value . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Valid

    Acoustic Management Configuration
   -----------------------------------
    Acoustic Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Acoustic Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Disabled
    Current Acoustic Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Min performance and volume (80h)
    Recommended Acoustic Level . . . . . . . . . . . : Min performance and volume (80h)

    ATA Features
   --------------
    Read Ahead Buffer  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported, Enabled
    DMA  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Ultra DMA  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    S.M.A.R.T. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Power Management . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Write Cache  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Host Protected Area  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Advanced Power Management  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Extended Power Management  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Power Up In Standby  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    48-Bit LBA Addressing  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Device Configuration Overlay . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    IORDY Support  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Read/Write DMA Queue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NOP Command  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Trusted Computing  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    64-Bit World Wide ID . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Streaming  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Media Card Pass Through  . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    General Purpose Logging  . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Error Logging  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    CFA Feature Set  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    CFast Device . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Long Physical Sectors (1)  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Long Logical Sectors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Write-Read-Verify  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Feature . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Power Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    NV Cache Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Free-fall Control  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Free-fall Control Sensitivity  . . . . . . . . . : Not supported

    SSD Features
   --------------
    Data Set Management  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    TRIM Command . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Deterministic Read After TRIM  . . . . . . . . . : Not supported

    S.M.A.R.T. Details
   --------------------
    Off-line Data Collection Status  . . . . . . . . : Successfully Completed
    Self Test Execution Status . . . . . . . . . . . : Successfully Completed
    Total Time To Complete Off-line Data Collection  : 2460 seconds
    Execute Off-line Immediate . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Abort/restart Off-line By Host . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Off-line Read Scanning . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Short Self-test  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Extended Self-test . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Conveyance Self-test . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Selective Self-Test  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Save Data Before/After Power Saving Mode . . . . : Supported
    Enable/Disable Attribute Autosave  . . . . . . . : Supported
    Error Logging Capability . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Short Self-test Estimated Time . . . . . . . . . : 2 minutes
    Extended Self-test Estimated Time  . . . . . . . : 33 minutes
    Conveyance Self-test Estimated Time  . . . . . . : 6 minutes
    Last Short Self-test Result  . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Short Self-test Date  . . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Extended Self-test Result . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Extended Self-test Date . . . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Conveyance Self-test Result . . . . . . . . : Never Started
    Last Conveyance Self-test Date . . . . . . . . . : Never Started

    Security Mode
   ---------------
    Security Mode  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Security Erase . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Erase Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enhanced Erase Feature  . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enhanced Erase Time . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Security Enabled . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Locked  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Frozen  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    Security Counter Expired . . . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Security Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : High

    Serial ATA Features
   ---------------------
    S-ATA Compliance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    S-ATA I Signaling Speed (1.5 Gps)  . . . . . . . : Supported
    S-ATA II Signaling Speed (3 Gps) . . . . . . . . : Supported
    S-ATA Gen3 Signaling Speed (6 Gps) . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Receipt Of Power Management Requests From Host . : Supported
    PHY Event Counters . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Non-Zero Buffer Offsets In DMA Setup FIS . . . . : Not supported
    DMA Setup Auto-Activate Optimization . . . . . . : Supported, Disabled
    Device Initiating Interface Power Management . . : Supported, Disabled
    In-Order Data Delivery . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Asynchronous Notification  . . . . . . . . . . . : Not supported
    Software Settings Preservation . . . . . . . . . : Supported, Enabled
    Native Command Queuing (NCQ) . . . . . . . . . . : Supported
    Queue Length . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 32

    Disk Information
   ------------------
    Disk Family  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Caviar SE
    Form Factor  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 3.5"
    Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 80 GB (80 x 1.000.000.000 bytes)
    Number Of Disks  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Number Of Heads  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Rotational Speed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 7200 RPM
    Rotation Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8,33 ms
    Average Rotational Latency . . . . . . . . . . . : 4,17 ms
    Disk Interface . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ?
    Buffer-Host Max. Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? MB/seconds
    Buffer Size  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8192 KB
    Drive Ready Time (Typical) . . . . . . . . . . . : 9 seconds
    Average Seek Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 8,9 ms
    Track To Track Seek Time . . . . . . . . . . . . : 2,0 ms
    Full Stroke Seek Time  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 21,0 ms
    Width  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 101,6 mm (4,0 inch)
    Depth  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 147,0 mm (5,8 inch)
    Height . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 25,4 mm (1,0 inch)
    Weight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? grams (0,0 pounds)
    Required Power For Spinup  . . . . . . . . . . . : ? mA
    Power Required (Seek)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? W
    Power Required (Idle)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? W
    Power Required (Standby) . . . . . . . . . . . . : ? W
    Manufacturer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Western Digital Corporation
    Manufacturer Website . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products

    S.M.A.R.T.
   ------------
No.  Attribute                Thre.. Value  Worst  Data                Status                   Flags                                                 
1    Raw Read Error Rate      51     200    200    000000000000        OK                       Error-Rate, Performance, Statistical, Critical         
3    Spin Up Time             21     166    166    000000000A62        OK                       Statistical, Critical                                 
4    Start/Stop Count         0      100    100    00000000014C        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
5    Reallocated Sectors Co.. 140    200    200    000000000000        OK                       Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical, Critical   
7    Seek Error Rate          51     200    200    000000000000        OK                       Error-Rate, Performance, Statistical, Critical         
9    Power On Time Count      0      83     83     00000000330F        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
10   Spin Retry Count         51     100    100    000000000000        OK                       Event Count, Statistical, Critical                     
11   Drive Calibration Retr.. 51     100    100    000000000000        OK                       Event Count, Statistical                               
12   Drive Power Cycle Count  0      100    100    00000000014C        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
190  Airflow Temperature      45     58     52     00000000002A        OK                       Self Preserving, Statistical                           
194  Disk Temperature         0      101    95     00000000002A        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Statistical                           
196  Reallocation Event Count 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Statistical             
197  Current Pending Sector.. 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Event Count, Statistical                               
198  Off-Line Uncorrectable.. 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Event Count                                           
199  Ultra ATA CRC Error Co.. 0      200    200    000000000000        OK (Always passing)      Self Preserving, Event Count, Error-Rate, Performanc..
200  Write Error Rate         51     200    200    000000000000        OK                       Error-Rate, Critical                                   

    Transfer Rate Information
   ---------------------------
    Total Data Read  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 731 MB,  71.739 MB since installation  (5-3-2013)
    Total Data Write . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 302 MB,  99.541 MB since installation
    Average Reads Per Day  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 71.739,00 MB
    Average Writes Per Day . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 99.541,00 MB
    Current Transfer Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0 KB/s
    Maximum Transfer Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 23605 KB/s
    Current Read Rate  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0 KB/s
    Current Write Rate . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0 KB/s
    Current Disk Activity  . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0 %
Title: Re: I hate hard drives - is it a windows problem??
Post by: devnullius on 06. March 2013., 10:01:43
Ok, these tests do not turn out the way I expected :s

Normally, replacing the hard drive would solve problems like incorrect volume bitmap. But my testing now does not trigger that exact problem... Still it is something that has been bugging me for years. Example links:
- http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-system/autochkexe-keeps-corrupting-and-lead-into-bsods/9800c175-f190-4d1d-b2f2-139b3f09fffd
- http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-system/stopc000021afatal-system-error-the-session-manager/e3e30d8f-8326-4096-9187-0b2162847732

So I followed the link, give by HD Sentinel. There I went to: http://www.microsoft.com/products/ee/transform.aspx?ProdName=Windows%20Operating%20System&ProdVer=&EvtID=1001&EvtSrc=Winlogon&FileVer=&FileName=&EvtType=&LCID=1033

Copy Paste:
If the media does not accept write-through semantics, inconsistencies in the file-system metadata might occur when there is a sudden loss of power or a system failure.

--> Could it be that the Index-problems are caused by a premature power off when shutting windows down?

:s

Baaaad karma :(

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives - more info on index problems with ntfs (eventID anyone?)
Post by: devnullius on 06. March 2013., 10:10:14
FROM: http://www.eventid.net/display-eventid-1001-source-Winlogon-eventno-2555-phase-1.htm

There seem to be a lot of answers, all pointing to more or less the same thing.

IF ANYONE still has an EventID.net subscription... DO some copy pastes, pretty please? :)

Snippets offered:
-  if you check your hard disk drive with CHKDSK in Read Only mode and it has files currently open or in use by Windows NT. See M109524 for details.
- As per Microsoft: "This problem occurs because if Chkdsk is run against an NTFS volume, Chkdsk.exe may report that security descriptors are in the database that are no longer referenced by any file or folder and that it is removing them. However, Chkdsk.exe just reclaims the unused security descriptors as a housekeeping activity, and it does not actually fix any kind of problem". See M255008 and M218461 to fix this problem.


So basically I should just ignore this warning as non-important...? ???

If so, one day I'll revive this thread when I encounter an unstable disk again, one that constantly gives incorrect volume bitmap problems instead of "just" the index problems.

The index problems, for now, are going to be ignored by me. STILL a PAIN that Acronis marks it as a real error. Which it, in my opinion, is  ;p

Karma...

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: Pez on 06. March 2013., 11:40:08
What I can find out you have the lates firmware at the disk.

One thing I was wonder have you checked so the mounting screws do not touch the PCB board on the HD. That can give some very nasty effects and fails that is difficalt to find. Check also the ventilation around the disk. WD is famus to be hot and that can in the end give read/writ fault.

Her is a few thred that you can checkout if ther help you:

Symptoms of Western Digital WD800JD 75MSA3 Disk Failure: (http://www.dataextractorlabs.com/WD/WD800JD_75MSA3_Data_Recovery.html)

WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 ATA Device -
 update driver (http://hardwaredata.org/index.php?driver=85032)

WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 ATA Device driver problems (http://driver-expert.net/wdc-wd800jd-75msa3-ata-device-driver-problems/ata-driver-list/ata-51/)

Western Digital WD800JD-75MSA3 Data Recovery Information (http://www.datacent.com/datarecovery/hdd/western_digital/WD800JD-75MSA3)

Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 06. March 2013., 18:28:18
Pez, thank you for thinking along.

But I also had a Maxtor disk with these problems...? It (=index problem) seems to be a software problem, not a hardware problem...?

BUT again, my original post was mainly made for Incorrect Volume Bitmap problems that will re-appear time after time. The index problem appears to be different :s

Karma...

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: Pez on 08. March 2013., 03:56:42
Could something like this help you then?:

Error message when you run the ChkDsk.exe utility in read-only mode on a Windows-based computer: "The Volume Bitmap is incorrect" or "Error detected in index $I30 for file 5" (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976329)

The Volume Bitmap is incorrect. (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-system/the-volume-bitmap-is-incorrect/7c1661bd-4bd3-4893-9e3c-c68739754caf)

Volume bitmap is incorrect - just an error in the error checking diagnostics or sympt  (http://www.vistax64.com/crashes-debugging/285445-volume-bitmap-incorrect-just-error-error-checking-diagnostics-sympt.html)

I also found this:

Cleaning up 6 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9 (http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itprovistasetup/thread/29a14833-51c8-454f-a600-900e2a827ab3)

What causes this "Cleaning up 12 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9" (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-performance/what-causes-this-cleaning-up-12-unused-index/7adf0d5a-5992-4abb-ad94-2b0ecfe0d24f)

What do you make of these chkdsk errors? (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/141087-14-what-make-chkdsk-errors)
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 08. March 2013., 09:57:02
@Pez now we seem to be on the same level :)

Lots of reading, little time & KVM Switch awaits me too! But I most certainly gonna check it out!

Karma...

devnullius
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: devnullius on 08. March 2013., 11:15:47
From Pez's links... Some snippets!

http://web.archive.org/web/20050409193042/http://mike.steinbaugh.com/journal/2002/08/28/ntfs-file-system-glitch.html (select everything on the page to make text visible...)

--->

"Just wanted to post my experience with this Volume Bitmap problem.

First I began to see it on my external hard drive connected to my USB 2.0 port. It ran perfectly for a while and then after what I think may be a stalled system requiring a Power Off button push to resolve (don’t you just hate those failures?). After the machine rebooted (WinXP Pro on ThinkPad A31p system) I noticed that when I manually chksdsk’d the external drive that I would get the error message everyone is seeing. The problem actually got worse because at one point the system would schedule a chkdsk on the drive EVERY TIME. Man, was this frustrating.

Anyway, I complained to the external drive provider (Apricorn, but Fujitsu made the drive), they sent me a new circuit board adapter (it attaches to the drive’s connector and translates the r/w to USB) and suggested to exchange the old for the new. Did this but kept getting the error message even though the chkdsk on every reboot went away.

Called Apricorn and the tech rep said to stop/disconnect the drive just before the next shutdown. Once I performed this, the drive began to behave properly. Don’t ask me why, but that is what solved my problem and I no longer see it at all.

Hope this helps someone.

Charles (January 2, 2004)"

and:

"Stacey (June 21, 2004)
Strangely enough, if I open a command window and run chkdsk without changing from the default directory, I get this: Correcting errors in the master file table’s (MFT) BITMAP attribute. Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. Windows found problems with the file system. Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these.

But if I change to the root directory first, no errors are reported. Anyone else seeing this?"

and:
 
"Hello,

my feeling is that there could be several different reasons for the problem with the volumebitmap, which occured on my Dell Optiplex GX 270 from one day to the other on drive c:. Nothing helped since I tried to stop all unneeded processes and services.

After I deactivated the “GhostStartupService” the problem was fixed.

Just try."

and:

"Niels (July 28, 2004)
I have an 5 months old IBM Thinkpad with a Toshiba drive. I get the same Volume Bitmap “error”. I started out by reverting the harddisk to what IBM calls “Factory contents” which means that the drive is reformatted, and all IBM software is reinstalled. I still got the error. I have been in contact with IBM and they sent me a tool called Drive Fitness Test. I checks all physical aspects of the drive - NO ERROR. The problem is definately a bug, and not a hardware issue. When NT5 (Win2K) was developed, changes was made to NTFS. Amongst other things to support larger drives. It looks like the problem can be traced back to that time…

Just thought it could be helpful."

and:

Special mention: Regie (October 21, 2004)

and:

"Regie (October 22, 2004) By the way, after I did an defrag, the BITMAP attribute error disappeared!"

and:

"Anonymous (February 6, 2005)
I tried the prefetch thing and lo and behold it gets rid of the volume bitmap message when I run chkdsk. If I enable it again however the message comes back. What gives? I also have an indexes error in Norton Disk Doctor that does not show up in safe mode. I am beginning to think NDD is getting it wrong more than it gets it right."

and:

"Gnugs (March 16, 2005)
Nice idea about the cacheing. Works for you but not for me. NDD still shows a security descriptor error starting it several minutes after the splash screen goes away. I’m in the process of bugging MS about this and will post their response if they ever get around to it. Since they exported their support to ASIA, I’ve been getting extremely polite but uninformed answers to questions about SP2. BTW, I seem to be getting the Bitmap Fixing Error Chkdsk message after another message saying that it’s corrcting a Usn segment. Anybody getting this. Also, I have 5 machines running XP all getting it and two running 2000 and NOT getting it."

Karma,

devnullius
Title: Incorrect Volume Bitmap: some expert insight from Hard Disk Sentinel authors
Post by: devnullius on 09. April 2013., 18:54:32
FROM: http://scforum.info/index.php/topic,8087.msg20515.html#msg20515

Quote:
"The volume corruption (even if sounds interesting) usually completely independent from the hard disk itself
but can be caused by many other factors (data / power cables, hard disk controller drivers, physical memory problems,
overheat conditions, overclock, non-standard reboot / reset, power loss and so)" (HDS)

Which would mean the people at http://www.hard-data.nl were right after al... :(

STILL I DO NOT UNDERSTAND: REPLACE DISK WITH SAME TYPE/BUILD ON SAME PC AND NO MORE PROBS.

Sigh :s

Karma ;p

devnullius
Title: MS "The Volume Bitmap is incorrect" or "Error detected in index $I30 for file 5"
Post by: devnullius on 22. April 2013., 09:15:57
SOURCE: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976329

Download Fix-it / patch: http://support.microsoft.com/hotfix/KBHotfix.aspx?kbnum=976329&kbln=en-us

MIRROR DOWNLOAD KB976329: https://www.box.com/s/3bc40m7tu33r145jav7s

PARTIAL, RAW Copy Paste:
Error message when you run the ChkDsk.exe utility in read-only mode on a Windows-based computer: "The Volume Bitmap is incorrect" or "Error detected in index $I30 for file 5"
Article ID: 976329 Hotfix Download Available

Visit the Windows 8 Solution Center: This article applies to a different version of Windows than the one you are using. Content in this article may not be relevant to you.

Summary
On a computer running an operating system listed in the Applies To section, you create or extend a volume. The size of the volume is a multiple of 8 gigabytes (GB). For example, the size of the volume is 8,192 megabyte (MB), 16,384 MB, 32,768 MB, etc. (NOTE: 1 GB equals 1,024 MB).

Symptoms
You may experience one or more of the following problems

When you run the ChkDsk.exe utility on the volume in read-only mode (no switches) you receive an error message similar to one of the following:
The Volume Bitmap is incorrect.
Windows found problems with the file system.
Error detected in index $I30 for file 5.
<Number> index entries processed.
Index verification completed.
Errors found. CHKDSK cannot continue in read-only mode.
Restoring computer settings from System Restore point results in an unbootable operating system or corrupt files.
Restoring files from an effected volume using the "Previous Versions" tab may result in restored files being in a corrupted state.
When you use a backup application that leverages the Windows VSS Volume Shadow Copy feature to create snapshots during a backup, one or more files are found to be corrupt after a restore.
Note NTBackup, Windows Server Backup, System Center Data Protection Manager (DPM) or any third-party backup application’s backed-up data can be impacted. Please review the More Information Section on correcting this with Microsoft DPM or contact your third-party backup solution manufacturer to determine if they are using the Windows VSS Volume Shadow Copy feature to create their backups.
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Cause
When a VSS Volume Shadow copy is invoked on an extended volume, the volume bitmap used to track cluster usage may not accurately reflect clusters that are in use by files that fall on an 8GB file system boundary. Consequently, data read or copied from a shadow copy may not accurately represent the file data. When the data is saved to the destination, it is saved in a corrupted state.

Resolution
Microsoft has determined this to be a bug in the product and has corrected the issue in either a service pack or a hotfix depending upon the OS where the volume originated.

A hotfix is available for the following operating systems:

Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1)
Windows Vista Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2
The fix is included in the following service packs:

Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1)
Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 (SP1)
Information about SP1 for the above can be found at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976932

A supported hotfix is available from Microsoft. However, this hotfix is intended to correct only the problem that is described in this article. Apply this hotfix only to systems that are experiencing the problem described in this article. This hotfix might receive additional testing. Therefore, if you are not severely affected by this problem, we recommend that you wait for the next software update that contains this hotfix.

If the hotfix is available for download, there is a "Hotfix download available" section at the top of this Knowledge Base article. If this section does not appear, contact Microsoft Customer Service and Support to obtain the hotfix.

Note If additional issues occur or if any troubleshooting is required, you might have to create a separate service request. The usual support costs will apply to additional support questions and issues that do not qualify for this specific hotfix. For a complete list of Microsoft Customer Service and Support telephone numbers or to create a separate service request, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?ws=supportNote The "Hotfix download available" form displays the languages for which the hotfix is available. If you do not see your language, it is because a hotfix is not available for that language.

Prerequisites

To apply this hotfix, your computer must be running one of the following Windows operating systems:
Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1)
Windows Vista Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2

Registry information

To use the hotfix in this package, you do not have to make any changes to the registry.

Restart requirement

You must restart the computer after you apply this hotfix.
Hotfix replacement information

This hotfix does not replace a previously released hotfix.

File information

The English (United States) version of this hotfix installs files that have the attributes that are listed in the following tables.

If you are using System Center Data Protection Manager (DPM) as your backup application, we recommend that you perform a manual RecoveryPoint with IntegrityCheck after the hotfix is applied. This will ensure that any new backups created by DPM will be consistent. See the following Technet article for details on creating a new RecoveryPoint: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc627335.aspx

Note: Any backups created prior to installing the fix and running the manual RecoveryPoint with an IntegrityCheck job may be corrupt if they meet the scenario criteria.

Additional file information? See original Microsoft article for long binary list...

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Title: HDDs.
Post by: A41202813GMAIL on 15. August 2015., 19:30:39
I Do Not Have Many Complaints About HDDs.

I Never Do The Quick Format.

Yes, The Slow One Takes A Long Long Long Time To Complete, But It Is Only Once.

I Stopped Formatting With Compression, Too - No More Problems Since - Fool Me Once...

Cheers.
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: herwin94 on 03. December 2016., 05:13:35
yeahh SSD is far better than HDD.. that's why i'm using SSD now rather than HDD
Title: Re: I hate hard drives
Post by: merlin001 on 16. February 2017., 16:02:38
Something I learned with mechanical hard drives quite a few years back, especially closer to physical failure, is to try to put the failing drive in a freezer for 20 minutes, then try to spin it up. It sounds so against what we're taught, especially with extreme temperatures and moisture, but I've used it 10, maybe 12 times throughout my IT tech career, and it's worked all but twice. Also, don't try it with SSDs.